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2/5/12Student: I have a question regarding the upcoming terms quiz. A few students have told me that the quiz is tomorrow, yet I remember the board saying Wednesday the eighth. I think it is because the calender says the quiz is on a day 2 tuesday, and people interpret it as day 1 having it tomorrow.
Cohen:It is on Wednesday.
[Day 2, your quiz is on Tuesday.]

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Frequently Asked Questions about ResearchQUESTION:How many pages does the research paper need to be?ANSWER:At minimum 6 pages. At most, 8 pages. This does not include the Works Cited, which should be the last page of the paper.
QUESTION:Where can I find sample synthesis questions?ANSWER:AP Central Exam Questions (English Language and Composition)

QUESTION:Where can I read about how to make a synthesis question?ANSWER:Special Focus Materials: Using Sources (check out "Developing a Synthesis Question" and the Appendix)

I was thinking about what we talked about, and I thought of maybe changing my assignment to "should teachers better represent the student population" and i could use the negative outcomes that i was discussing as part of my argument, and how cultures differ. The only thing is that i dont have much time before tomorrow to find new sources and re-organize my synthesis.

Okay. Also explore all the possible ways your sources are connected to each other, and maybe try brainstorming from there. I find it also helps to look at other synthesis questions, like on AP Central, and see how those sources connect/how those questions were constructed.

I know it class you said that we have to have 2 of everything for it to be an argument (the proof, commentary, assertion) but I have 2 sub points that are kind of in the middle, meaning, they aren't full blown arguments but they are valid points and don't really fit into any other argument point...would i be able to just leave it as little mini arguments with only one APC? THANKS!! (I hope that made sense...)

I would push you to define these points as support (do they come from other sources? do your sources make the arguments or is this something you have inferred?) or your own argument. Your own argument and support should be pretty distinct.
Also, you don't have to have exactly two of everything-- you can three pieces of support, or four, etc. You have to have at LEAST two.

RESPONSE:Well the arguments came from what I interpreted from individual sources. The thing is that I don't want to make them main arguments or even sub arguments...when I write my paper, they would serve as more of examples if anything. They are just concepts that I can't file into another central argument.
COHEN:It doesn't sound like they are your arguments. It seems like these are implicit/summarized arguments from the sources. This would make them your proof.Remember, your essay must be your OWN arguments-- the arguments from the sources are there to use as support.It seems like by referring to them as "examples" you are viewing these more as proof, no?
RESPONSE:Ok...that makes more sense. I think I can find a way to integrate them as proof for a more developed, centralized argument, rather then having little baby ones.

Ms. Cohen, I'm sorry this is a little late, but I completely forgot who was the person who said that we have no imagination in todays' world because of media, if you could please tell me his name, I would greatly appreciate it. :)

Was it Jerry Mander in Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television?
[Yes, it was.]

Conversations about Sources
From S:
Hi Ms. Cohen!
My peer reviewer marked that I needed to include a page number or issue number for my essay, "A Talk to Teachers", and unfortunately the original magazine the essay was published in can't be found online, so I'm unable to include any page or issue numbers of the essay or magazine. Is there any other way around this or should I just not include it?
Thank you.

Ms. Cohen's reply:
According to this: it was originally published like this:
Delivered October 16, 1963, as “The Negro Child – His Self-Image”; originally published in The Saturday Review, December 21, 1963
However, you should cite it as "A Talk to Teachers", which is what it was titled when it was reprinted in The Price of the Ticket, Collected Non-Fiction 1948-1985, Saint Martins 1985.
Link to the book (with a searchable table of contents, that lists page numbers):

Also, a quick Google search revealed you can find The Saturday Review online. The issue appears to be the October 19, 1963 issue:

Also, would you mind if I copy/pasted this in the "Eavesdrop" section of my wiki in case others are having the same issue?

I was able to find the same The Saturday Review website you did, but his speech/essay isn't there. Can I cite the book you sent me where his essay is even though it's not the original publication of it?
And no, I don't mind at all.

Yes, you can cite the book.
Here's a link to the Google Books copy, which has "A Talk to Teachers" (and other essays) available:

BUT! I was curious about finding the original, and I found out it was actually the December 21, 1963 edition. The speech was delivered in October (not published then). Here's the link:

Doing Research
Block 1's research on the authors of your "core"/"master" articles
Studying for the Midterm
Block 4's Practice Essays

Creating the Annotated Bibliography

Block 4's current discussion
Block 6's current discussion
Block 1's current discussion
Block 7's current discussion

From Ms. Cohen's E-mail:From N:Hey Ms. Cohen! I'm really having trouble coming up with arguments for my source for the research paper. I chose "Federer as a Religious Experience". I understand the main topic and such, however the only argument I can think of is to qualify Wallace's claim using another sport and player. What do you think?

Ms. Cohen:>>Hi N, I'm glad you're working on it. I would recommend first that you do a brief outline of Wallace's arguments.
>>Map out his "APC" (where he makes an assertion, gives proof, and then writes commentary), find his main thesis and his sub arguments, and then try to classify them (what type of argument, what mode of development, etc). Also compare what he says in the footnotes to his points in the main text. We will actually be reading another Foster Wallace essay, "Consider the Lobster", and that may also help.

From N:Okay, thanks a lot!
From N:Hey Ms Cohen. I've been through 3 possible ideas for my research paper based on Federer As Religious Experience. I've decided to do it using multiple athletes of various sports and defining what it take to be "the best". What do you think?
Ms. Cohen:>>I think this is a bit broad and doesn't take advantage of some of the big ideas David Foster Wallace is exploring in the essay. Consider how what he's saying could apply to the world outside of sports. This might give you a better insight into his main points.

I also recommend that you explore some of the responses to this particularly essay, many of which you can find online.
1. Letters to the editor (of New York Times) about the article
2. Commentary/analysis/posts readers wrote after reading the article
3. Any current college courses that use the essay (and look at the questions, discussions, etc.)
4. Reader comments/feedback about the essay
For example:

If you are still interested in the sport aspect of the piece, consider looking at other writing about tennis:

syllabus from "The Rhetoric of Sports and Gaming":

This is turning into a discussion that other students might find use in. Would you mind posting the discussion somewhere on your wiki? Or if you give me permission, I will put it on "Cohen Handouts"

Hope that helps; good luck researching.

Ms. C

From N:Yes, you may post it to Cohen Handouts.